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Post by New Jersey Nets on Oct 14, 2009 2:40:22 GMT -5
Added List of Players to Discuss
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Oct 14, 2009 8:09:29 GMT -5
sorryNJN but i think wade should be more than 93 IMO he can do every thing even block.its unfair to see DH,Paul,Kobe LBJ all rated better than him and he had abetter season that them all.
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Post by Miami Heat on Oct 14, 2009 9:33:25 GMT -5
Wade should be at least 95 I agree, he's WAY better than CP3.
PS. Wasn't Kidd an 88 previously?
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Oct 14, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
sorryNJN but i think wade should be more than 93 IMO he can do every thing even block.its unfair to see DH,Paul,Kobe LBJ all rated better than him and he had abetter season that them all. dallas ur a dumbass. stats is not every thing KG is way better defender and all round than jaimson here is why KG rated higher. block jaimson under 30 D aware jaimson under 50 strenght passing steals and alot of things KG rated way higher. and stop comparing players and rate them according to their stats... its so stupid aheh stats ain't everything HUH ATL. |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Oct 14, 2009 13:48:12 GMT -5
not for somone like dwayne wade...but they are not 0% its like 60% about stats but if u compare 2 players like for example jaimson and KG we know that jaimson cant play D or block and weak and cant pass or steal well thats why KG rated higher but we know that wade is as good as kobe or even better now.or why the **** Bruce Bowen was always betwen 72-75 he avg 2 PPG and1 reb?  |
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Oct 14, 2009 13:51:06 GMT -5
not for somone like dwayne wade...but they are not 0% its like 60% about stats but if u compare 2 players like for example jaimson and KG we know that jaimson cant play D or block and weak and cant pass or steal well thats why KG rated higher but we know that wade is as good as kobe or even better now. ok I see your point. |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Oct 14, 2009 22:17:08 GMT -5
Current Rating | Players Up For Rating Changes[/u]:
93 | Dwayne Wade (ATL) - 95
81 | Peja Stojakovic (ATL) - 78
66 | Robert Horry (ATL) - 65 (Retired guys go down every year, maybe should be lower than 65)
66 | Derek Anderson (ATL) - 65 (see above)
65 | Steve Francis (ATL) - 64 (see above)
97 | Kevin Garnett (BOS) - 92-94
76 | Michael Finley (BOS) - 73
73 | Kendrick Perkins (BOS) - 75
69 | Leon Powe (BOS) - 71
87 | Yao Ming (CHA) - 89-90 (but lower his durability)
77 | David Lee (CHA) - 80-81
75 | Spencer Hawes (CHA) - I think 75 is good for Hawes still
71 | Rudy Fernandez (CHA) - 75
68 | Marc Gasol (CHA) - 74-75ish
67 | Antoine Walker (FA) - 65
69 | Kenny Thomas (FA) - when was the last time he played? 66 i guess?
69 | Bob Sura (FA) - 66?
86 | Ron Artest (CHI) - I like an 86 just fine for ronron
83 | Chauncey Billups (CHI) - 85-86
74 | Adam Morrison (CHI) - 70 (hasn't really done anything in the NBA)
79 | Derrick Rose (CLE) - 82 (will go higher as he continues to do what he did last year, and improves).
76 | Nene (CLE) - 79-81
76 | Troy Murphy (CLE) - really under-appreciated around the basketball community - 80-81
69 | Nazr Mohammed (CLE) - did he retire? if so lower, if not, not sure he deserves any different rating
68 | Eduardo Najera (CLE) - he's fairly good there...no higher than a 70?
72 | Lindsey Hunter (DAL) - he is either retired or should be a few points lower
72 | Brook Lopez (DAL) - 77-79 already, that could be conservative, but I wanna see him do it longer.
69 | Julian Wright (DAL) - is fine here for now, MIGHT get the starter job in NO (IRL), and if so, maybe he gets a boost later.
66 | Carl Landry (DAL) - 73-74
66 | Darrell Armstrong (FA) - 65 (retired)?
66 | Doug Christie (FA) - 65 (retired?)
75 | Jameer Nelson (DET) - 77-78
71 | Jarrett Jack (FA) - 74 (could start for some teams, is a nice player)
83 | Jermaine O'Neal (FA) - 81ish...lower durability
66 | Theo Ratliff (FA) - retired? 65?
77 | Maurice Williams (GSW) - Really shot amazingly last year from 3 pt land...i think he's around a 79?
69 | Tyler Hansbrough (GSW) - Don't really like messing with rookies too much...he might be more like a 72 but if we mess with him, I'd like to go through all of the rookies from this real life draft class.....
66 | Chris Webber (FA) - retired...64
78 | Grant Hill (FA) - 76...78 is a little high but he was still top 50 in Yahoo's overall ranking last year...guy is playing at a very nice level still in his advanced age.
85 | Josh Howard (HOU) - 82ish
80 | Mehmet Okur (HOU) - fine at an 80? maybe a point higher?
70 | Alonzo Mourning (HOU) - retired? 65
69 | Chuck Hayes (HOU) - 73ish
67 | Michael Olowokandi (FA) - lower...retired? 65
66 | Clifford Robinson (FA) 65 retired?
66 | Anfernee Hardaway (FA) retired? 65
87 | Josh Smith (IND) - I really think something needs to be moved around in his attributes or something. He doesn't produce in this game at all like IRL. He's elite with blocks and steals, is well above average in rebounding, and has a nice offensive game, ridiculous dunks and athleticism also. I think 87 is right for him to be honest but his individual attributes might need looked at?
70 | Marquis Daniels (IND) - 73
70 | Bill Walker (IND) - Only had less than a year IRL to show anything...did really well in the D-League...wouldn't touch his rating for now.
70 | Steve Blake (IND) - 73-74
62 | C.J. Miles (IND) - 74
90 | Elton Brand (LAC) - 87
84 | Devin Harris (LAC) - 85-86? He had a great run last year but I'm not sure he kept it up long enough to raise him from 84.
66 | Jason Williams (LAC) - Is back in the league, maybe put him to a 70ish out of respect to his past skills
65 | Eddie House (LAC) - 65 is ridiculously low for this guy. He's like a 72-73 type I think.
82 | Al Horford (LAL) - Just hasn't really earned this rating yet, though I think he probably will eventually.....78
71 | Louis Williams (LAL) - doesn't deserve to be moved yet...maybe next time we do ratings after his starting PG experiment in Philly IRL plays out.
62 | Courtney Lee (LAL) - Already showed he's more like a 72, and is starting in NJ. could go higher.
87 | Gilbert Arenas (FA) - Keep him around here, maybe mess with durability?
71 | Mario Chalmers (MEM) - 74ish
64 | Aaron Brooks (MEM) - more like a 74
75 | Josh Childress (MEM) - overseas guy, I don't really like messing with his rating, especially if he's a younger type of guy (as opposed to bonzi wells)
83 | Jason Kidd (MIA) - I honestly think Kidd is still producing great. Yahoo had him #9 overall last year! His assists are still amazing and he shot 3's at over 40% I believe. Rebounds great for a guard, he just obviously isn't a young quick guy anymore. I'd put him up to a 85-86 to be truthful.
70 | Quentin Richardson (FA) - Keep him around here, maybe mess with durability type thing if anything
66 | Gary Payton (FA) - retired, lower him
61 | Maurice Ager (FA) - is a young, able-bodied guy. Deserves to be rated higher than retired players...so 66-67?
66 | Keith Van Horn (FA) - retired - 65
66 | Byron Russell (FA) - 65 retired...
75 | Jerry Stackhouse (MIL) - 70?
72 | Jason Maxiell (MIL) - this is fine already for him
87 | Allen Iverson (MIN) - Maybe 84 for now...let's see what he does in Memphis before we get too crazy
85 | Jason Richardson (MIN) - this is fine
73 | Thaddeus Young (MIN) - hmm, maybe 76ish?
67 | JJ Redick (MIN) - probably a 70 right now, not sure if he'll ever get much better than that...
66 | Jalen Rose (MIN) - retired 65
68 | Rodney Carney (FA) - 72ish
80 | O.J. Mayo (NJN) - 82-83 for now
76 | Nicolas Batum (NJN) - Really don't like to mess with the really young guys that much...I would be very upset to see him lower than a 73. I'd suggest a 74 if you feel the need to lower him.
75 | Mickael Pietrus (NJN) - just slightly high rating I think...73-74 is better.
75 | Bonzi Wells (NJN) - he's a little bit older of an overseas guy. Maybe more like a 73-74 also.
74 | Travis Outlaw (NJN) - pretty fine for him.
70 | Luke Ridnour (NJN) - more like a 74?
89 | Vince Carter (NOH) - Down a little but still had a great year last year...87ish
80 | Tyson Chandler (NOH) - no more CP3 IRL for Tyson, should be interesting. I'd say 77ish right now.
68 | Brevin Knight (FA) - he retired? if so, you know what to do.
85 | Kevin Durant (NYK) - so good. Top 10 guy already. Put him at an 88-89 and just wait for him to go even higher.
71 | Roger Mason (NYK) - meh...this is close isn't it?
68 | Nick Young (NYK) - 71-72ish guy also
66 | Shareef Abdur-Rahim (NYK) - retired right? 65...
79 | Charlie Villanueva (FA) - this is fine for now IMO
89 | Tracy McGrady (OKC) - Lowered to 87ish but then also lower his durability
74 | Chris Duhon (OKC) - Really got under-appreciated by a lot of people who didn't pay attention to just how many minutes he played for the beginning/middle of the season. He was out there 40+ minutes a night, with the Knicks often going with a 7 or 8 man rotation. I think he's a 76 right now.
70 | Trevor Ariza (OKC) - 74-75ish
67 | Josh Boone (OKC) - Hasn't really done a ton yet, but I think he's shown that he's more like a 70.
74 | Wilson Chandler (FA) - similar to Thad...I guess 76ish
83 | Rudy Gay (ORL) - fine here
82 | Ben Gordon (ORL) - 83-84 i suppose.
82 | Hedo Turkoglu (ORL) - 85-86ish
75 | Anthony Parker (FA) - this is pretty fine by me
68 | David Wesley (FA) - retired? 65
76 | Eric Gordon (PHI) - 78-79 for now, I really think he'll be shooting up next time we do this also.
71 | Ryan Gomes (PHI) - 73ish?
70 | Craig Smith (PHI) - did nothing last year, but also wasn't used with all the big bodies in Minny. Maybe down a point for now?
68 | Russell Westbrook (PHI) - Obviously needs to go way up. 77-78 for now.
89 | Baron Davis (PHO) - New team/environment/coach/city/most injury plagued team in the league, including himself last season...I think we'll lower him this season and very possibly just bump him again next...but 86ish for now is fine.
88 | Ray Allen (PHO) - 86ish? maybe decrease some athleticism but add shooting (if possible? lol).
77 | Jeff Green (PHO) - pretty fine around here, maybe is a point or two better but I'm not going to argue too much either way.
69 | Sarunas Jasikevicius (PHO) - Really just went back overseas. I think he's fine at a 69 to be honest.
69 | Dikembe Mutumbo (FA) - think he retired now? or no? if so...65
85 | Brandon Roy (POR) - 88-89 type guy
75 | Kevin Love (POR) - 76 would be fine...
78 | Rajon Rondo (POR) - I suppose he's like an 81 for now.
74 | Al Thornton (POR) - this is about right
72 | Andray Blatche (POR) - this is fine for now...
66 | Darius Miles (POR) - He's really about fine here...right? he is playing again but nothing special...maybe he's a couple points higher
64 | Joel Przybilla (POR) - underrated here...showed last year he's more like a 73-74
74 | Luis Scola (SAC) - 76-77
74 | John Salmons (SAC) - 79-80
72 | Jason Thompson (SAC) - I know a lot of people like him, and I do too...but I'm not really sure he earned more than a 72 right now. Certainly no higher than a 74 and I think that's being very generous
67 | Kelenna Azubuike (SAC) - elite shooter last season. I believe he was the 3pt champ. He's a 75 type for me.
85 | Danny Granger (SAS) - Soooo good he is really up in the elite level just below Lebron. I don't get the logic of "anyone could do great with Indy"...I don't agree at all. This guy is a special talent. He's like an 88-89 for now, but he'll be great again this year and go up another point or two until people finally see he really is a special talent.
78 | Larry Hughes (SAS) - more like a 75-76 for now...probably go down further unless he finds a team that actually wants him.
77 | Ben Wallace (SAS) - 72-73?
74 | Yi Jianlian (TOR) - fine for him for now...
74 | Andrea Bargnani (TOR) - 77ish
66 | Anthony Randolph (TOR) - 72-73 based on pure teasing stats from the end of last year and then summer league. I am a believer though, we'll probably see him moving up again next ratings change.
66 | Cuttino Mobley (TOR) - this is fine...he actually hasn't retired yet, and is still on the Knicks roster. The Knicks just won't play him b/c they feel it could severely hurt him. He's too risky to give a higher rating, but he's not retired so shouldn't go lower.
76 | Zydrunas Ilgauskas (UTA) - I'm fine with this...I dunno, maybe a 75?
76 | Paul Millsap (UTA) - 78-79
86 | Michael Redd (WAS) - 84ish
82 | LaMarcus Aldridge (WAS) - 84ish for now
69 | Dale Davis (FA) - retired? 65
67 | Glen Davis (FA) - 73ish?
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Oct 14, 2009 23:49:26 GMT -5
fine with the list but lol at Yao being 89-90 dude.. what makes the rating go up something called ATHLETIC abilities what yao ming dont have any... hes slow,soft..his numbers are AVG for a 7'6 feet tallhe cant steal or even pass well like 1.5 APG?.....to be honest hes not more than 86 IMO.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Oct 15, 2009 0:51:25 GMT -5
Don't see how Horford goes down when he actually improved his numbers from his rookie season and did it playing through pain.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Oct 15, 2009 4:03:10 GMT -5
I like Bobcats list for the most part, except for: 76 | Troy Murphy (CLE) - really under-appreciated around the basketball community - 80-81He is underrated and played good last year but 80-81 is a little high IMO. I see him at 77-78. 85 | Josh Howard (HOU) - 82ish85 | Jason Richardson (MIN) - this is fineI dont see how Howard should be lowered but Richardson not? I see both around 82-83. 62 | C.J. Miles (IND) - 74Like I mentioned before this guy deserves some love but 74 is a little high IMO. I would put him around 70-71 and wait how he produces this year. 71 | Roger Mason (NYK) - meh...this is close isn't it?Maybe I am just a fan of him but I see him at 73-74. |
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Oct 15, 2009 7:59:59 GMT -5
Don't see how Horford goes down when he actually improved his numbers from his rookie season and did it playing through pain. NJN what about Bynum, I know Hortford made huge improvements I am not saying give him a 82-83, but he should be higher then a 78, a 80-81 maybe. if he's teammates quit taking out his knee's maybe he could be a 85 type guy ( I am not saying he SHOULD BE but he can BE.) and UNLIKE last year where he played 35 games, for the 08-09 season he played 50 games and these are his numbers from BOTH years. if Boris Diaw can get a 84 when he was with the Suns playing in a gimmick system with PHX then Bynum is surely an 80 with 2 knee's intact. and just to compare BOTH Hortford and Bynum Hortford played 67 games got 11.5 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 2.4 APG, 1.40 BPG, 0.80 SPG, 52 FG%, 72 FT% Bynum played 50 games got 14.3 PPG, 8 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.80 BPG, 0.40 SPG, 56 FG%, and 70 FT%. |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Oct 15, 2009 14:39:34 GMT -5
Don't see how Horford goes down when he actually improved his numbers from his rookie season and did it playing through pain. Well, it's because he never deserved an 82 in the first place. I think a 78-79 for what Horford has done is appropriate. I also think he'll be even better this year, but I don't think he deserves the 82 at this point. |
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Oct 15, 2009 14:42:08 GMT -5
fine with the list but lol at Yao being 89-90 dude.. what makes the rating go up something called ATHLETIC abilities what yao ming dont have any... hes slow,soft..his numbers are AVG for a 7'6 feet tall he cant steal or even pass well like 1.5 APG?.....to be honest hes not more than 86 IMO. I touched on this in another of my posts...how tall he is. The fact that he can actually put up any numbers at all means he IS a freakish athlete for that height. Most people if they get that tall are practically crippled. It's really unfair to compare him to guys that are "only" 7'0" or so. The numbers he puts up, plus taking into account that he routinely dominates an amazing athlete like Dwight, should make it pretty clear that he is an 89-90 type guy. |
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Oct 17, 2009 0:21:41 GMT -5
How is Chris Paul being rated at 94 and Deron williams at 86?
Chris Paul yeah we get all the hype that he is a flashy player (voted an all-star) etc etc.
Lets compare the stats of both players shall we?
CP3:
38.5mins 11.0 Asts 2.8 steals 22.8 PPG
D. Will:
36.8mins 10.7 Asts 1.1steals 19.4 PPG
Despute being lower in these 3 categories, there shouldn't be an 8point difference in their ratings. the reasons are as follows:
Deron Williams is a team player. Jerry Sloan's style of basketball in Utah consists of formations and DEADLY pick 'n roll. I think Deron Williams is the best player in 05 draft and definitely the better PG then CP3, it just happens to be that Deron Williams is stuck in a crappy system and structured offense in Utah instead of freelance offense in NOH with CP3, if he had that type of freedom Deron Williams would far and away be the best PG in the NBA.
I'm not asking for a 94 rating for Deron but i think it should be 88-89 ish at least. In any case, he's rated 89 in NBA 2k10 and 90 in NBA Live10. That has to stand for something
PS Utah Jazz won 4 out of the last 5 games against the N.O.Hornets. 1 of the 4 wins for the Jazz was without Boozer(injured)!
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Oct 17, 2009 3:10:55 GMT -5
Really?
Deron plays with Okur, Boozer, Brewer, Millsap, Kirilenko, Harpring, etc. while Paul gets David West and Tyson Chandler.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Oct 17, 2009 6:48:33 GMT -5
Really? Deron plays with Okur, Boozer, Brewer, Millsap, Kirilenko, Harpring, etc. while Paul gets David West and Tyson Chandler. You're forgetting Peja, Posey and Butler. Well if you're implying better players on the jazz team, then it's obviously going to reduce assists/plays/scoring for Deron. Which therefore mean he is vastly underrated. Its just like reducing ratings for Garnett, Pierce & Allen just because they're playing on the same team now |
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Oct 17, 2009 19:32:55 GMT -5
Really? Deron plays with Okur, Boozer, Brewer, Millsap, Kirilenko, Harpring, etc. while Paul gets David West and Tyson Chandler. You're forgetting Peja, Posey and Butler. Well if you're implying better players on the jazz team, then it's obviously going to reduce assists/plays/scoring for Deron. Which therefore mean he is vastly underrated. Its just like reducing ratings for Garnett, Pierce & Allen just because they're playing on the same team now Peja, Posey, and Butler. Wow. What a group of all-stars. The only thing that having better players around you would affect is scoring. Deron's assists shouldn't continually be lower than Paul's if he is a better point guard. Andre Miller led the league in assists on a terrible Cavs team. Deron is a good point guard but if you switched the two, Paul would have even sicker numbers. |
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Oct 17, 2009 22:57:54 GMT -5
Wade should definitely be higher than Paul. Deron is underrated at 86 IMO. There shouldn't be such a huge gap between him and CP3. 90 seems more appropiate? BTW, did we change Marion's rating yet?
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Oct 18, 2009 9:56:44 GMT -5
You're forgetting Peja, Posey and Butler. Well if you're implying better players on the jazz team, then it's obviously going to reduce assists/plays/scoring for Deron. Which therefore mean he is vastly underrated. Its just like reducing ratings for Garnett, Pierce & Allen just because they're playing on the same team now Peja, Posey, and Butler. Wow. What a group of all-stars. The only thing that having better players around you would affect is scoring. Deron's assists shouldn't continually be lower than Paul's if he is a better point guard. Andre Miller led the league in assists on a terrible Cavs team. Deron is a good point guard but if you switched the two, Paul would have even sicker numbers. Well with all due respect, u're still not getting the point of the discussion here. And neither have u answered my question. Should Allen, KG and Pierce receive lower ratings now? Apparantly, they have had amazing stats before joining the celtics. Now with so many stars on board 1 single team, all of their stats fell across the board. Its the exact same situation here with the Jazz. More Amazing/Good players = worse stats for everybody. ITS A COMPLETE REPLICA of the situation with the JAZZ. You're analyzing the trend the opposite way here. |
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Post by Miami Heat on Oct 18, 2009 10:27:42 GMT -5
Wade 95, Paul 90, Williams 86-88...that's my vote.
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